E30 M3 powered by S62

[TSAF]

Hey, I have seen two cars here in Greece powered by S62 but they could not use the stock ecu. The car I am posting below is in Germany and works perfectly fine with the stock ECU. It makes you wonder.

[karimE302]

any more info or videos of this car please

[B Marques]

does it use stock oil pan?

[Maki]

Hi
the owner of this car lives in my city - he has a taste for "special " cars ( over 10 )

and from what it lookes like a favour for M enignes ;-)

All his engine conversions are made from what i know from Manhart Racing .

Here's a link from their webisde and the prices for their conversions. http://manhart-racing.de/blog/?p=500

And here you can see the E30 M3 again http://manhart-racing.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bmw-m3-e30-50-v8-420-ps2.pdf

He has several cars with S85 engine conversions for example like this one that was shown in the German TV Show called GRIP http://www.youtube.com/v/VqW_WksFqNU&hl=de_DE&fs=1& view from 04:00

Euxomai na se boithisi ligo.

Ta leme file ;-)

Bye
Maki

[TSAF]

Guys thats all I have. I have no idea if the oil pan is stock or not. The point is that the engine works perfectly with the stock ecu on the E30 M3. Thanks a lot Maki.

[Maki]

@TSAF - on the posted .pdf-link they write that the engine works with ALPHA-N so not totaly stock ecu

Maybe for more infos you could contact the tuner

Bye
Maki

[TSAF]

I think Alpha N works in combination with the stock ecu. I think that if you use Alpha N you cancel the MAF sensor. Usually they fit Alpha N when they place carbon intakes and such. Maki thanks again for their contact details.

[raimo]

There is no point using the stock ECU. With a good aftermarket ECU, the entire system and wiring will be much more simple, fault proof and clean looking.

The stock oil pan of a S62 won't fit to the e30 chassis.

[TSAF]

There is no point using the stock ECU. With a good aftermarket ECU, the entire system and wiring will be much more simple, fault proof and clean looking.

The stock oil pan of a S62 won't fit to the e30 chassis.

The point is that there is no-one in Greece to programm a good aftermarket ECU. I had a very bad experience.

[glenn-b]

The stock oil pan of a S62 won't fit to the e30 chassis.

incorrect.

[bmwlove100]

Very nice work

[Rui Azevedo]

incorrect.

Your right Glenn..

[glenn-b]

Your right Glenn..

i know rui,
i'm currently half way through my second s62 conversion.

[Doggy]

To use the stock ecu i believe you will also need the original key, ews and trans computer if the s62 uses 1. The s62 pan fits perfect in the e30 chassis. It will allow the engine to go back as far as possible before touching the firewall while at the same time the pan just before touching the subframe. At its lowest the top of the heads will sit about even with the shock towers.

[SONNYQ]

Wow, I am very impressed with this swap. I would love to have the s85 in my future e30 m3.

[OZM3]

So the stock S62 including oil pan fits?

[TSAF]

Some people say it fits others say no. I was talking to my mechanic here in Greece who owns the car in the photos. The car was built 3 years ago and it was one of the first documented swaps in Europe. Since the car was being used for drift races only he did not mind if the E30 M3 insturment cluster will work therefore a modified race cluster has been fitted with independent vdo gauges . Back then an aftermarket ECU was the only way but thanks to all the worthless programmers over here we blown 2 engines and to be totally honest the vanos never worked (that is why I am asking about the stock ECU because I do not trust them down here). He told me that in order for the engine to be perfectly aligned and without the pan touching the subframe the engine must sit a little bit higher. On the other hand in order for everything to be perfect a modified oil pan must be fabricated but it was way to much hassle so they decided to build a plastic modified engine hood instead (which looked awful). When I saw the green car with the stock instruments, the perfect stance and the stock interior I said to myself maybe its time for a new project. But in order for me to start such a project I have to make sure that everything will look and work without any problems.

[raimo]

my mistake, you can use the stock oil pan, but it's always not the best solution.

TSAF - we have here racing cars with S5x engines and a E46 GTR S62 and they are running aftermarket ECU's. No problems whatsoever.
But you are correct, it all about finding a good tuner. I suggest to look one for in Germany, that's the closest to you.

[e21jason]

I thought the s62 needs the stock ecu to control the oil pump set-up under high G conering to stop starvation.

Plus on e30.de there are few threads about reflahing the ecu to do away with the ews, wheel speed input etc

Jason

[bmwlove100]

thats a very nice swap

[TSAF]

I thought the s62 needs the stock ecu to control the oil pump set-up under high G conering to stop starvation.

Plus on e30.de there are few threads about reflahing the ecu to do away with the ews, wheel speed input etc

Jason

I know the post on the E30.de but everything is in German. I have send the guys an email and I am expecting their answer. The point is to buy something of the "shelf" otherwise as I said before the Ecu tuners in my country are worthless.

[e21jason]

I just used the online translator on goolge and got the gist of it.

Jason

[glenn-b]

So the stock S62 including oil pan fits?

yep.
my current project......

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/glennbaker/DSCF0001-7.jpg

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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/glennbaker/DSCF0002-9.jpg

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[Apex Speed Tech]

Back then an aftermarket ECU was the only way but thanks to all the worthless programmers over here we blown 2 engines and to be totally honest the vanos never worked (that is why I am asking about the stock ECU because I do not trust them down here).

You can't do a swap with the stock ECU that i know of... too CAN dependant. We've built multiple M62 and now M65 standalones for swaps. They fully control VANOS and electronic throttles, and use all stock sensors including knock control.

-Neel

[TSAF]

You can't do a swap with the stock ECU that i know of... too CAN dependant. We've built multiple M62 and now M65 standalones for swaps. They fully control VANOS and electronic throttles, and use all stock sensors including knock control.

-Neel

Neel you have PM.

[Doggy]

whats a good ecu that can control all 8 spark signals instead of using a wasted spark setup?

[TSAF]

whats a good ecu that can control all 8 spark signals instead of using a wasted spark setup?

A very good aftermarket one. Talk to Neel. info@apexspeedtech.com

[Apex Speed Tech]

We recommend the Pectel SQ-6. It has 12 injection and 8 ignition outputs standard, and can also control dual fly-by-wire motors AND 4 cam vanos, all out of one box.

[Alpina]

I will send you a pm

[TSAF]

We recommend the Pectel SQ-6. It has 12 injection and 8 ignition outputs standard, and can also control dual fly-by-wire motors AND 4 cam vanos, all out of one box.

Neel I need the stock ECU, not an aftermarket one.

[Doggy]

We recommend the Pectel SQ-6. It has 12 injection and 8 ignition outputs standard, and can also control dual fly-by-wire motors AND 4 cam vanos, all out of one box.Thanks but i wouldnt need fly by wire or vanos. This ecu would be for a m62 non vanos

[Apex Speed Tech]

Thanks but i wouldnt need fly by wire or vanos. This ecu would be for a m62 non

That makes it simpler and cheaper. We have VIPEC-based systems for the M62 that will use all the stock sensors and actuators and can use a modified stock harness. They are very cost effective and preserve details like knock and idle air control.

-Neel

[Dreame30]

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8149/47858577.jpg
I found here one with stock ecu. (You can use google translate)
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=hu&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdrifting-bg.com%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2709%26postda ys%3D0%26postorder%3Dasc%26start%3D150&act=url
http://drifting-bg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2709&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150
The translate from google is awful so can you give me some information about what ecu is perfect to be used for this transplantation

[TSAF]

The new project already started. E30 M3 powered by S62 with stock ECU. Engine already sitting properly in the car. I will revert with photos. At the moment we are trying to figure out which pedal assemblie and which brake cylinder we shall use.

[glenn-b]

hello,
pm replied

cheers
glenn

[JeviJavi]

hey TSAF. good to hear more people are doing this swap. I have a s62 engine sitting in my warehouse. think i might start the swap after summer ends. Would appreciate to learn all the things you will change and or modify through this thread for the s62 swap. good luck!

[Evo3m3]

Just waiting until I find a nice engine to do this swap myself...

[TSAF]

The car finished!!!!!:rolling::Jake::taz::drums:

[17sd]

WOW! That's great.

[TSAF]

It belongs to my best friend. This car has a LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF WORK

[E30Terry]

It belongs to my best friend. This car has a LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF WORK

Very nice. Did he have a build thread or even more pictures?

[TSAF]

No.

[JeviJavi]

awesome....did he re-flash the stock ecu? or a programmable computer?
how fast is that thing? :)

[TSAF]

He used the stock ecu + Alpha N. Oh its extremely fast.

[E30Terry]

He used the stock ecu + Alpha N. Oh its extremely fast.

Did he get rid of anti-theft, radio, traction control and all that?

[TSAF]

Yes all of that and we used the sport button from a Z4 which looks awesome on the M3's console.

[E30Terry]

Yes all of that and we used the sport button from a Z4 which looks awesome on the M3's console.

Thats pretty sweet. Youre killing me man! Need more pics lol

[Alpina]

He used the stock ecu + Alpha N. .

Mr.X ??

[TSAF]

A friend from Germany did all the ecu & wiring work.