Euro stop USA/ DTM Fiber werkz

[KDAWG97M3]

Here's another glaring example of what to expect when dealing with Eurotop/dtm fiberwerks/Ary:



This is a pic of a set of wheels that Ary sells as brand new but your required bolt pattern is out of stock he sublets out a redrill on his end and charges for the service.
The masterpiece above is what you get for your hard earned money.
Laughable if it was not so scary.

His operation preys on the uninformed.

I just saw that and thought of posting that from r3v....unreal...I am not a snob, or a bad person,but this shit is amazing...for 720.00 I feel the product should be better...if an oem wing is 1k I will take it...the money is ten times worth it...you should see the wave in the top of the wing..,even if I put it on I am afraid what people would say/think.,I would ruin my car,,,no offense to anyone that has this wing....

[KDAWG97M3]

If you re read my post, I did. I called him before I painted and when we test fit the wing. It was way off, Ary told me, too bad so sad. He would not do anything for me. I had no choice to try and make it work. But when they got ready, they were just so off there was nothing we could do, I am not comfortable putting it on.....

Not trying to be aggressive with you, wanted you to know I tried that approach before we
Went down this path. I just don't want to nothc my trunk....

Thanks for the feedback and support.....I do agree with your statements.

I admit the fitment sucks on his wing from stock mounting points .I decided to notch out my trunk to make it fit .It is way off not just a little.The paint shop had to do quite a bit of shaping of the wing to make it look like oem one .In the end it looks good and cost less.I understand being picky but lets be honest a oem evo III wing cost over 1k.
My experience is nobody's reproductions fit as good as oem.
The dtm mirrors fit crappy too but I manipulated it enough plus black caulking to seal it.
If was them I would get a oem wing and do a perfect mold .I wouldn't sell them the way they are.I have read if you do a search fitment issues with Makshaw wings too plus the cost more$.Notching my trunk to me was not that big a deal what are odds it will ever be removed?I have herd his carbon fiber pieces yellow in time for me I'm more concerned with that since I have his carbon fiber flap and side mirrors.one thing is their flap can sit up higher on the wing verses makshaw if you like that look like me.
If you did in fact paint the wing how can you expect him to accept a return of it?
This is a fiberglass piece all fiberglass pieces should always be test fitted and prepped for paint.

[Carfantiti]

did you look at my pictures of the wing?
every one who seen my car complements how nice it is.every one loves the wing and mirrors.I was just giving a low price on oem we both know it cost allot more than a little over 1 k more like over 2k if you can even get it anymore
Hope the best for you to me you have couple options sell it as it is.
do a proper prep of it so it looks like mine .
notch your trunk and put larger washers like i did.
try makshaw hope you don't need to drill the holes bigger or notch trunk to fit it.You will still have to prep it to look oem. I agree be nice if it just bolted on .I feel your frustration but eurostop has tons of threads warning us about them.
Ir ary reads this hey man really you have a awsome business why not be legit get a oem wing do a great mold than sell it and get some respect?
I would take that wing off the market.I would remove the dtm carbon fiber mirror too.get a mold for that too it fits like crap..You have very nice cars!You have a dream business .
do it right you will have all or respect .treat your customers with respect listen to them never stoop to a low level not saying you are just my 2 cents.

[Carfantiti]

If you re read my post, I did. I called him before I painted and when we test fit the wing. It was way off, Ary told me, too bad so sad. He would not do anything for me. I had no choice to try and make it work. But when they got ready, they were just so off there was nothing we could do, I am not comfortable putting it on.....
If that is true than ary shame on you just not taking sides since their is always two .Seriously if he did say no returns and you only test fitted it he is way wrong not to take a return!The problem is you painted now so now you have to deal with it.
wish you the best i really understand I was just as pissed as you with fitment but I made apples out of poop

[KDAWG97M3]

If you re read my post, I did. I called him before I painted and when we test fit the wing. It was way off, Ary told me, too bad so sad. He would not do anything for me. I had no choice to try and make it work. But when they got ready, they were just so off there was nothing we could do, I am not comfortable putting it on.....
If that is true than ary shame on you just not taking sides since their is always two .Seriously if he did say no returns and you only test fitted it he is way wrong not to take a return!The problem is you painted now so now you have to deal with it.
wish you the best i really understand I was just as pissed as you with fitment but I made apples out of poop

It's true...he will admit it..I called and he even remembered me whenicalled for the second time yesterday, bc I was"the guys who's wife bought the wing" pound sand...twice...Yeah, i will try and dispute with cc, maybe a portion of full amount? I don't what I can do....maybe I can turn apples into poop..,,

[OZM3]

Have you got pics as you stated you would have?

[nickn3]

Here's another glaring example of what to expect when dealing with Eurotop/dtm fiberwerks/Ary:



This is a pic of a set of wheels that Ary sells as brand new but your required bolt pattern is out of stock he sublets out a redrill on his end and charges for the service.
The masterpiece above is what you get for your hard earned money.
Laughable if it was not so scary.

His operation preys on the uninformed.

Wow, that is pretty SC-ARY if you ask me!

[KDAWG97M3]

Have you got pics as you stated you would have?

Yep, I will upload today,

[Ken_sanders12]

Come over here Ary.

Do you know this car that appears on your website?

http://dtmfiberwerkz.com/access/images/Misc1.jpg

Why do you have your logo on it?

Did you get this picture from Markus?

Isn't that a client of his?

If this is true, why are you using products (in this case a E30 DTM mirror) from other companies and representing them as your own and having the balls to copyright it on top of that?

Explain.

Tell me this is your product. Shed this rumor down.

[Ken_sanders12]

[KDAWG97M3]

Let's keep this at the top so no one makes the mistake I did. Junk

[Garage5]

Ya thats pretty shaddy on DTM Fiber werks side. But from what I've read over the years they are shaddy as hell. I have been tempted to buy one of there dashes, but I'm glad you guys stopped me

[Az in Oz]

Personally I don't know why an administrator doesn't kick this guys arse off this site. Quite obviously the work he and his company does is shit!
We have a saying here "You can't polish a turd"
As to Carfantiti...having to do all that work just to get it to fit and look good shouldn't be needed.....I have an MA Shaw wing and it fitted fine out of the box.
So you were happy that the "poop" you paid good money for needed more money and time spent on it so you could get good comments...maybe you have deep pockets?

[Carfantiti]

It needed a sand and the whole were off big deal .Yes it be nice if it was perfect I have never seen perfect fiberglass or carbon fiber.Most all fiber glass needs prep.I have read on forums the MA shaw did not line up either every time.it cost me 250 for paint and prep if thats deep pockets to you?NOt every one can afford oem if I could I would .I guarantee you my wing looks as good as yours and I paid less .If I could do it over would I have bought euro stop wing yes.If I had the extra money would I have bought Ma shaw yes .If I really had cash I would get oem.Euro stop is the bottom of the barrel we all no that in the end it came out very nice so I'm happy.

[markseven]

They are using a picture of my old car with a BMP Designs RS kit. They seem to be saying that this is the quality a customer can expect, however, the BMP kit is direct fit and light years better than the DTM Fiberwerks piece. In addition, they eliminated the vowels from the name Breyton as protection against legal action? LOL.

http://dtmfiberwerkz.com/access/bryt...mper-p-59.html



They didn't ask my permission, but have a strong policy protecting "their property".

"Copyrights/Trademarks

All content included on this site, such as text, graphics, logos, button icons, images, audio clips and software, is the property of www.DTMFiberWerkz.com, a wholly owned subsidiary of EUROSTOPUSA, or its suppliers and protected by U.S. and international copyright laws. Any unauthorized use of the materials appearing on this site may violate copyright, trademark and other applicable laws and could result in criminal or civil penalties. All software used on this site is the property of www.DTMFiberWerkz.com, a wholly owned subsidiary of EUROSTOPUSA, or its software suppliers and protected by U.S. and international copyright laws and may not be reproduced, modified, distributed, transmitted, or republished."

http://dtmfiberwerkz.com/access/conditions.php

The original pic, for posterity sake: